By Alex Yohn
Feb 16, 2015
This is a series of articles on the process and experience of building products and, ultimately, daughter companies from within a parent company. Our experiences building Kin (and DoneDone.com) from within our parent company, We Are Mammoth, have unfolded over the course of six years. We’re self-funded, and we build companies out of the products when the time is right. Our way isn’t the highway – we definitely slow roll because, in life as in business, it’s about the journey not the destination. Here’s the original article.
Who’s paying the real bill for your pet project?
You and your big idea may be shopping around for investors to foot your bill. I salute you. While we never have seriously pursued outside money for our product companies (Kin is our second company, DoneDone.com was the original), we have had a few conversations. Most of the pro investors we’ve spoken with are concerned about our ability to run a company while building a company and supporting another company. They want to see $, not ?’s. If you’re going that route, you need an answer for how you, the founder, are going to move away from your already-existing, already-profitable consultancy. They may think you’re dumb. Prove them wrong. If you’re thinking of self-funding, read on, and know that this has been our way and it’s not necessarily the highway.
For the brave souls choosing the self-funded route, the answer to the question “Who’s paying the real bill for your pet project, Mr./Mrs. Founder?”, is “You are, and so is she, and so is her three-legged dog.” The team doing maintenance on those four year old websites for a consulting client? They’re paying the bills. The administrative support team you have in house that helps your nascent product team with customer support and operations early on? They’re paying the bills. You, dear reader, are paying the bill. Everyone is paying the bills!
Regardless of the source of financial funding though, building a new product and company cuts time, morale, and resources from the fabric of an existing firm. Everyone pays the price. It’s taxing, so everyone deserves a piece of the pie – even if they never write a single line of code for the new product.
You all get gold nuggets and Teslas and patience!
My opinion is that everyone who helps fund the new company (including three-legged dog) should own some of the new company in the form of stock or whatever flavor of company you’re starting (we have LLC’s). It’s the right thing to do. But, it’s also more than likely that, for the near term at the very least, the equity you’re giving to folks isn’t worth the paper it’s written on. So they’ll respond with “Great, thanks, but how will I get something out of this?” The answer is simple.
Everyone’s near term profit is in the form of education. Make sure that the failures, skills, and business experiences are shared back with the parent company – it’ll help sell new business, expand everyone’s skill set, and instill a sense of entrepreneurial spirit and pride into everyone’s overloaded souls. That’s worth a lot and it’s entirely possible it’s the only pay back folks will ever get (again, startups aren’t for the faint of heart).
You will charge money for it, right?
So who else is paying for your new product? Customers, of course. What’s that? They aren’t? No positive advice for you here. If you are smart and charging money, there’s a good chance the pricing model and value proposition is going to be vastly different than what you’re used to at your current company.
In our case, moving from an enterprise software consultancy to a monthly per-user pricing model for small businesses was jarring. One is full of giant peaks and valleys and big fish, the other is a patience-draining graph toward profitability. Alas, you need to make ends meet at every level – you’re in your parent-company’s pockets, and a well-reasoned pricing model is integral to your new company becoming a self-sustaining business.
So, learn a little about pricing psychology, and be ready to admit you did it wrong and quickly move to a better model. Within the first couple of months of Kin being launched, we learned what we thought would be a great, fair pricing structure actually sucked. We changed it quickly. Likewise, we had a freemium plan for DoneDone.com early on thinking that, if freelancers did well, they’d surely upgrade to paid plans when they grew. That didn’t work out at all, so we removed it, and it had a great effect on revenue. To sum it up, charge for your product/service, and make sure you can charge more or less depending on real market inputs.
In it to win it.
Regardless of the ultimate financial success of your new company, there is wealth to be reaped – don’t squander the opportunity to share the wonderful, anxiety-ridden experience which most people never will be exposed to: the early days of a startup. It’s a treasure trove of skills, values, failures, and emotions that are very atypical of our all-too-mudane daily work lives.
By Alex Yohn
Feb 16, 2015
Lot’s of independent design and web companies consider product development as a way to branch out from their consulting-centric business. I’m all for it, and I think many companies are in an excellent position to succeed.
Building a business from the inside can invigorate a company’s culture, diversify income, and focus an entire staff’s talents into a beautifully executed product that only they could have built. It can also wreck a company’s finances, morale, and focus.
Building and self-funding a new company has a long term financial impact on the parent company, it requires team culture and domain expertise unique to the market at hand, extreme amounts of discipline, and ultimately you’ll be deciding what to do with this thing once you’ve learned whether it meets a real need.
Success isn’t always easy to see, and 99.9% of the time it’s not something you wake up to one morning (unless you just built ShipYourEnemiesGlitter.com). Rather, it’s a slow, deliberate process that requires an entire company’s patience and understanding.
Over the next several weeks, I’ll be sharing thoughts on the topic based on our experiences building the Kin and DoneDone companies from within We Are Mammoth. Know that this has been our way and it’s not necessarily the highway.
Let’s start with the money part of it. Read on >
By Alex Yohn
Feb 11, 2015
We pride ourselves on providing a top-notch HR service to our clients, but drill down a bit further and our biggest mission is to help others do their job better. In a world where time is money and money is tight, every second of your workday is precious. Here are some tools that I use everyday to work a bit more efficiently that may help you get some time back into your day.
Note: Some of these tools are specific to Apple’s OSX operating system – sorry Windows users!
Like most folks that spend their day in front of a computer, you probably enter your password to log in countless times each day. Knock is a nifty smartphone app that syncs with your computer to bypass this repetitive task. Simply walk up to your machine, knock twice on your smartphone, and Knock will unlock your computer for you using Bluetooth Low Energy. Simple, secure, and a huge time-saver. Find out more at knocktounlock.com.
With more and more interaction between coworkers happening digitally instead of physically, we’ve lost the ability to put something in front of people and say “Here, look at this”. CloudApp helps give that back with crazy-fast sharing of files, screenshots, screen captures, and just about anything else you can think of. It’s an indispensable tool for communicating complex ideas quickly – one we make good use of here at Kin, sending screenshots between designers and developers to discuss bugs and features. Head over to getcloudapp.com to see more.
Instapaper is a digital vault to collect, access, and archive all of the articles you read on a daily basis. As a reader – I love the ubiquitous, offline access to all of my reading list on all my devices. As a writer, I love the ability to quickly reference everything I’ve recently read. It integrates with just about everything and has a great user interface. Create an account at instapaper.com.
Aptly named, think of Alfred as your personal, digital butler. With just a few keystrokes, you can instantly:
- Open Applications, Websites, Files and more
- Search Google, Wikipedia, or other custom sites
- Access the dictionary, calculator, contacts, and command line
- Execute system commands like shut down, sleep, eject, etc
- Get instant access to your entire clipboard history
It’s the easiest way to become a keyboard power-user. Apple has launched it’s own similar app with Yosemite, but the ability to create custom workflows will keep me an Alfred user for a long time still. Get started at alfredapp.com.
You Get Out What You Put In
It’s hard to learn a new system for getting things done – harder still when you need to take time out of a busy day to do it. But when leveraged correctly, the proper tool can save you from huge amounts of mindless busywork, whether it’s as simple as Knock or as intricate as Kin. I hope you can carve out the time to give these apps a try – they’ve been a huge help for my routine, and I have a hunch they’ll help you out too.
By Alex Yohn
Feb 5, 2015
I twiddle my thumbs a lot about leadership and, admittedly, whether I’m any good at it. Holacracy plays a starring role in a recurring dream in which I absolve myself of the need to express opinions or direction of any kind in most situations. To be sure, I’ve missed plenty of opportunities to galvanize our team, and pull them toward an ideal – or even to a decent place for tacos which is arguably the time my team needed me most. But over the years of building our companies I’ve largely succeeded as a leader, and I’ve certainly spent my fair share of time discovering what leadership is, and how it works at We Are Mammoth, Kin, and DoneDone.
In my experience, most people who yearn to lead do so for the wrong reasons – they believe the rest of the world is full of morons, that it’s a quicker route to financial gain, or that their complete inability to work with others is, somehow, a COMMAND FROM ABOVE TO LEAD THE PEOPLE. So, intent on leading for the wrong reasons, leaders-in-the-making learn the wrong stuff, climb the ladders at some unsuspecting companies, and ultimately do a crappy job leading. Whoops.
On the flip side, there are the natural born leaders – heroes destined to inherit the favor of the masses, and deliver them to happiness and liberty, or to a more sinister outcome like servitude. These are the once-in-a-blue-moon leaders and they’re real. Their talent is recognized early and developed into a high-powered laser beam of organizational drive. Their charge to success produces a swath of literature, best practices, and insights which the would-be leaders consume via audible books in order to continue doing a poor job leading.
Lest we forget: Leadership is a service provided to others.
Then there are the leaders like the rest of us. For us, leadership may have been there all along but perhaps it wasn’t an indisputable talent to employ, nor do we see leadership as an end in itself. Instead, it’s an ability we discover and nurture over time, and it eventually becomes a well-honed service we provide to others. Yes, leadership is a service provided to others.
My kind of leadership.
My definition of leadership is simple: It’s is the ability to guide other people through a dark period of something – in business, life, or lunch. Nothing more, nothing less.
Leadership: the ability to guide other people through a dark period of something – in business, life, or lunch.
When leaders lead, they often don’t have any more information about a situation than anyone else. Rather, they’re just curious and audacious enough to know they can see through an imminent problem that others don’t believe they themselves can. Successful leaders aren’t just comfortable working in the these murky realms, they’re actually productive there – their labors leading others to carve out their own purpose and success.
Easy to behold, difficult to embrace.
Yet, simple as it is to define, the misperceptions of what leadership is and what it takes to provide it make it a difficult skill to learn, teach, and even recognize (thus the vast market of leadership and management books). So, how do you know if you and your organization are doing a good job leading? Turn the problem upside down. Look for evidence of a lack of leadership – artifacts like an unclear business vision, lack of clearly defined jobs/roles, and a void of operational integrity across an entire team. At the opposite end of the spectrum, a group that has iron clad work ethic, takes pride in team work, leads by example, and has fantastic communication are the trademarks of good leadership. The rewards of the latter are clear enough, and the signals of the former are a wake up call.
There’s a saying: “leadership is the ability to hide your fear from others.” Dig a little deeper, and I think you’ll find that fear isn’t generally a part of it – a good leader sees the opportunity, brings clarity where there was once only fog, and delivers to his/her team’s doorstep, a roadmap to accomplish great things. They see it all along and it was nothing to fear.
This piece was originally posted on the blog at WeAreMammoth.com
By Alex Yohn
Jan 21, 2015
Do you have holidays that span multiple days? Or offices in multiple countries? If so, there are a couple of exciting new updates to Kin’s holiday management you should know about.
A cleaner way to manage holidays
Adding and editing holidays in Kin has a new look and feel. You can now include date ranges for your holidays, and we’ve also included a quick and easy way to add ‘common holidays’ to your list.
Select Common Holidays to quickly get set up for the new year.
Assigning time-off policies to holidays
Now you can set holidays to apply to specific time-off policies. This is a huge improvement for our customers with employees in multiple countries. What you’ll want to do is create your time-off policies on a per-country basis. Then from the Company Holidays section you can select which policies apply to which holidays.
Note, all of your company holidays have been set to include all time-off policies.
Select which time-off policies should be applied to each holiday.
How holidays affect time-off policies
When a time-off policy is assigned to a holiday, only employees who are on that particular policy will be affected. For employees who aren’t on that policy, it’s business as usual and, although the holiday will still show up on their calendar, it has no effect on their time-off balances.
As a side note, there is an existing option in Kin’s time-off policy configurations that offers the option to ‘Include company holidays in time-off requests’. By having this option selected, all holidays will be counted as regular workdays. This option essentially overrides the assignment of policies to individual holidays.

Option to include holidays as workdays from the time-off policy’s Work Schedule.
Need help? Let us know!
The new Company Holidays feature is a lot more bang for the buck. That said, its relationship with Time-off Policies may bring up some questions on how best to configure your account for 2015. We’re here to help anytime, just write us as Support@KinHR.com or click “Need Help?” from the menu in your Kin account.
By Alex Yohn
Oct 20, 2014
As the economy continues to bounce back from the recession with shrinking unemployment levels, increased job offerings and higher confidence among small business owners over their prospects for hiring and expansion, many workers may be reading the signs and starting to look for new jobs. In fact, in January, 21% of full time employees reported that they were planning to change jobs in 2014. This is an exciting time both for businesses seeking to hire and employees looking to make a move.
However, while starting a new job is an exciting experience, nothing is more upsetting than realizing you made a huge mistake a couple of months down the road. This mistake also takes a major toll on the company that hired you because of their investment into your training.
So before you take the leap into a new job, take a moment to consider the following tips:
Social Media
Use social media sites like LinkedIn to not only to do general research but delve deeper into employee history and information. Find out how long current employees have been at the company and whether or not they seem to get promotions and/or new responsibilities. If career growth is important to you, avoid a company that doesn’t appear to move employees up the ladder.
Learning Opportunities
Look beyond salary and benefits to what opportunities you will have to learn. Ask the people you interview with how they will help you achieve your career goals. Find out if the company provides tuition reimbursement or lets you attend networking events or conferences in your subject area. These aren’t must-haves but it may indicate how supportive they are of helping their employees get experience both in and beyond company walls.
Job Description
Learn if there are clear job objectives and expectations to help determine if the company has put some thought into what exactly you will be evaluated on. Speaking of evaluations, you should definitely ask questions about how performance reviews are conducted. If they don’t have them, this might not be the company for you.
Overtime
If you are working at a startup or small business, you should understand that there may be other expectations not specifically mentioned in the job description, such as late nights and weekends. Inquire about workload, and make sure you’re ready to commit to a team that needs you for more than 40 hours a week.
Company Culture
Figure out if you would enjoy hanging out with the people that are interviewing you. Do they make you feel comfortable, do they seem to get along? Culture is a very important part of what makes you happy or satisfied at a job and if you can’t see yourself burning the midnight oil with these people, you might want to move on.
Hopefully these tips can help you put more thought into accepting the job that best suits your needs and skills. If its too late and you are already in a job that stinks, read your employment contract. Many states are what’s called “at-will employment” states which means employees can quit (or be fired!) with no advance notice. While the law lacks social tact, it does mean you may be able to walk with no consequence if the place you’re working at isn’t stacking up to the ideal you saw when you first started.